Remos Nose Gear Collapse
June 13, 2011
Nose gear collapse during student flight training in Remos.
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Forced the plane down.
Too fast used up too much runway.
I did not see a slow flare
Never push it forward to get it to land. I am a Remos pilot.
@jwboll i’d agree….
Do you remember what your flap setting was?
i am not even a pilot. but i have been in some hard landings with pilots, a hard landing happens to the best of pilots. i was in a landing like that before if it weren’t for the tough planes we might have had something broke to. and the pilots i have flown with i would consider some of the best, i would fly with them any day of the week if i could. don’t let it get to you, Shit happens. next time just concentrate on what you need to do and not on what you have or haven’t done in the past.
When I was a student they drilled into my head one thing: An aircraft can stall at any airspeed and configuration. Those numbers are guidelines only. A similar thing happened to me in a Piper Cruiser. Dropped it to the runway from 8-10 feet in the air. It took me and my instructor by surprise, I’m just lucky that it was a tough old plane. The first thing my instructor said was brush it off and let’s go around and try again. Did you ever get your certificate?
hey man…I’m not going to attempt to throw my “know it all because I’ve logged 10 hours” 2 cents in like a lot of people would for whatever reason…it’s cool that you posted this and im really sorry it happened to you…but I can’t help but giggle at the cacophony of grinding metal meets “oomph” that someone uttered as the cowl hit the runway…I shouldnt be finding any humor in this and if it happened to me I KNOW I wouldn’t but I can’t help it…good luck in the future : )
If I was the PIC there would have been a lot more swearing.
The aircraft may have stalled if the aircraft has a pitot-static system along with a static system. The static vent in the pitot static system may have blocked, causing the airspeed indicator to overread. However, not my place to assess a situation from the video.
Mike, are you back flying again? I hope you didn’t call it quits!
Good lord that was a high approach…
it’s too bad the camera didn’t catch your stick input.
my non expert opinion is that you got distracted by the finger tapping on the dashboard at the most critical moment, and let the nose pitch down when you were at least 10 feet off the surface, after the bounce,instead of punching the throttle and pulling back, you pushed forward again. the ASI looked plenty fast enough, especially when in ground effect.
I don’t think there was a stall involved.
I’d say it’s pilot induced oscillation.
Mike,
first of all congrats that You have the guts to show Your mishap and want to understand why it happened. To me it seems that You NEVER actually stalled, but that You had a TAILPLANE stall of the horizontal stabilizer and elevator during flare. Check Your density altitude, hot day – doors removed disturbed air flow, no chance to avoid the nose come down so quickly. Next time simulate a landing with the same conditions (NO doors, high temp) at safe altitude and see what happens. Markus
next tim when you have a long runway like that try to land at 60 mph because if you have a long runway likke that use it to your advantage and glide over the runway as much as you can
try to make it fly next time with no throttle
get a c152 and pound it ????
OK, my 2 cents. I would agree with other viewers: No stall; the plane was flown into the ground, at a high speed, hit nose wheel first (a millisecond before the mains), then bounced into the air and came back down on the nose wheel (the second time). At the outset of the video, the plane was WAY too high. There never really was a “round out” and set up for the flare and touch down on the mains. If I was that instructor, I’d been “all over” that landing – bad set up on approach, high etc
A stall is totally irrelevant to speed, it is ENTIRELY 100% dependent on angle of attack. And it looks like your aircraft was quite full.
It looks like you did not trim the aircraft for landing. The nose-heavy out of trim situation can be seem from the video. The nose weaved up-and-down as you tried to flare the aircraft but you did not hold it. The out-of-trim situation could also caused by your way-high on final. You tried to get it down so you didn’t bother to trim it for landing. The plane was hot and fast and nose low.
It does not appeared that you stalled. It looks like you descended into the ground, hit the nose first, porpoised, and forced the nose back down. I did much worse to the C150 I learned to fly in. The 150 is far more robust than that Remos appears to be…
doesn’t look like a stall to me, looks like you skipped the flare and nosed into the runway, bounced and forced the plane back down instinctual. Planes get bent up all the time, don’t beat yourself up too much. Insurance will cover and they’ll have a new plane in no time.
By the way, a good method that maybe can help you is to imagine that you are going to make a very very low pass, watch you speed, get realy close to the runway, keep flying with the remaining speed until Vso, try to use your peripherical vision to see even your shadow, and maintain, remember, when landing
POWER = + – ALTITUDE
PITCH = +- SPEED
Keep flying man, many of us had bad days at the office !!
Any landing you can walk away from its a good landing, in other hand, your instructor is responsable for the right course of action in a situation like this, a GO AROUND could have save the airplane of the impact, and give you another chance, here is a great lesson for all of us pilots, and fellow instructors to always stay alert and calmed
yeah…three point landing fail
Stalling is a function of angle of attack. You can stall an aircraft at any airspeed, any attitude, if the critical AOA is exceeded.
an airplane can stall in any airspeed try too fly at 100 mph with the AOA above the recommended limit and check it out
wind sir wind